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Ryan Miller suffered concussion on hit from Lucic

Posted on: November 13, 2011 8:17 pm
Edited on: December 14, 2011 7:08 pm
 

By Brian Stubits

The weekend got worse for the Buffalo Sabres on Sunday when GM Darcy Regier told Mike Harrington of the Buffalo News that his top goaltender, Ryan Miller, suffered a concussion in the team's 6-2 loss to the Bruins on Saturday night.

The play has already been discussed plenty. Miller went to the open ice to play a puck and took a big hit from Milan Lucic.

Miller remained in the game but was removed after the second period. Harrington reports Miller is feeling better the day after the hit.

The next question in this equation is if Lucic will be suspended. That's what the Sabres are looking for. There has been a lot of discussion on this call, whether or not Lucic even did anything wrong. But according to the letter of the law, goaltenders are not "fair game" when outside of the crease. Lucic was not in the right to hit Miller.

UPDATE: Lucic will have a hearing with Brendan Shanahan on Monday at 1 ET according to Bob McKenzie of TSN.

Again, here is what Rule 69.4 has to say specifically.

69.4 Contact Outside the Goal Crease - If an attacking player initiates any contact with a goalkeeper, other than incidental contact, while the goalkeeper is outside his goal crease, and a goal is scored, the goal will be disallowed.

A goalkeeper is not “fair game” just because he is outside the goal crease. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every case where an attacking player makes unnecessary contact with the goalkeeper. However, incidental contact will be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such unnecessary contact.

When a goalkeeper has played the puck outside of his crease and is then prevented from returning to his crease area due to the deliberate actions of an attacking player, such player may be penalized for goalkeeper interference. Similarly, the goalkeeper may be penalized, if by his actions outside of his crease he deliberately interferes with an attacking player who is attempting to play the puck or an opponent.

"If this hit and other types of hits like this are not suspended, we are opening up the possibility of losing goaltenders to injury," Regier said sternly to Harrington. "And not just injury, but concussion. ... When I look at the position of goaltending. in a lot of ways it's not unlike quarterback in football. I feel very strongly the protection has to be provided and players committing these types of action should be punished.

"The last thing we need to do in the NHL is to be losing our Stars to concussions on plays like this."

Bruins goalie Tim Thomas gave his opinion on the matter on Sunday, from Jimmy Murphy at ESPN Boston:

"Basically from my perspective, I was just trying to, after that happened, make sure that I was on my toes. I didn’t know if there would be a kind of retribution hit. That’s kind of the old school way. That’s really all I’ve got to say about it. I will say that as a goalie, you’re not even prepared for people to hit you in a situation like that. You’ve been trained over the course of your whole career that you’re not going to get hit in situations like that. So it must have taken him by surprise."

That sounds about as sympathetic as Thomas can be for his fellow goalie while still toeing the party, or in this case team, line.

I wouldn't be surprised if Lucic does face some discipline for the hit. Whether you like the rule or not, that's what it says, that a goalie is not fair game and the fact that Lucic followed through high increases the chances of further penalty. And you know Shanahan will consider the fact that Miller was concussed on the play too.

It's worth noting that another goalie this season have already sustained concussions. Rick DiPietro was out for a very short time before returning to his place in the three-headed goalie monster for the Islanders. James Reimer of the Ducks was also hit high to the head by an opponent and has been out since mid-October with what the team is calling "concussion-like symptoms" but refuses to call a concussion.

The Sabres will recall Drew MacIntyre to fill in while Miller is out. Luckily for Buffalo, Jhonas Enroth has played very well this season as Miller's backup, getting a lot of action with Miller's recent struggles.

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Comments

Since: Feb 15, 2007
Posted on: November 16, 2011 3:51 pm
 

Ryan Miller suffered concussion on hit from Lucic

Sorry for the confusion, you seemed very angry.

Speaking of 12 yr olds, that is exactly how Miller acted. Crying to the media before picking up his toys and going home.

I admit it, I misread the rules.

Thanks for admiting I am a better fan.
Evidently you misread the comments about being a fan as well.  Because you live and die with your team and let losses and what happens affect you personally doesn't make you a better fan.  It makes you an over-grown child.  Most of us adults stopped being so emotionally attached to our favorite sports teams when we stopped putting athletes posters on our walls.  Evidently, you still have your room littered with posters.

You also didn't seem to understand that I don't really care too much for Miller and probably would agre that he acted like a baby...no wait I did say that, almost word for word. 

How you could surmise my mental state in a message board post is also truly amazing.  You should be able to parlay that into some type of job.  I mean anyone who can take written words and gather the tone and feeling of the poster is clearly somone who is on another level.  (I would imagine you could get that I am being sarcastic, since that's your thing and all)




Since: Nov 6, 2006
Posted on: November 15, 2011 11:31 pm
 

Ryan Miller suffered concussion on hit from Lucic

First, I'm not angry.  Second, your post about interference was wrong and you still haven't admiited that.  Third, I agree that Miller should have been removed from the game IF he had a concussion.  Many people here in Buffalo, myself included don't think Miller had a concussion.  It seems like it was just an easy way for Ruff to A. lobby for discipline from the leauge, and B. bench his #1 goalie w/o actually having to say that's what he's doing.

Ruff hasn't once in 15+ years stated an injury to one of his players.  He is always saying upper or lower body, and even then being very coy about the whole thing.  For him to come out right after the game and say that Miller was concussed is the exact opposite of how he's treated injuries since he started coaching.

As for the rest of your post, who gives a crap who won the game?  What are you like 12 years old?  Sure I'm in Buffalo and I'm a Sabres fan, but I guess I'm not on your level of fandom where you live and die with your team.  It's a game and entertainment....that's about it for those of us over the age of 12.

Again, to summarize if you'd like to talk rules.  I agree with your assessment that Miller should have been pulled if he was concussed.  I also still think you have no idea what you're talking about because you clearly don't know what interference is.  So, if you'd still like to "talk rules," I'm all ears
Sorry for the confusion, you seemed very angry.

Speaking of 12 yr olds, that is exactly how Miller acted. Crying to the media before picking up his toys and going home.

I admit it, I misread the rules.

Thanks for admiting I am a better fan.



Since: Feb 15, 2007
Posted on: November 15, 2011 7:29 pm
 

Ryan Miller suffered concussion on hit from Lucic

The hit was illegal, hence the penalty. It was not a shot to the head, nor did there appear to be intent to injure. However, I do believe a small fine was warranted. A two minute penalty is not enough deterrence to prevent people from taking runs at the goalie. Lucic had plenty of room to avoid contact and instead he intentionally took his shot. However, the NHL has a strong history of vigilante justice. Evidently, no one in Buffalo knows anything about this. How can you watch your goalie take a hit like that and not seek immediate justice after Lucic leaves the penalty box? Simply pathetic and all Buffalo players should take a long look in the mirror. I guarantee Miller is wondering what kind of teammates he truly has. All Championship teams have a “one for all, all for one”, “Band of Brothers” mindset. The entire Buffalo team needs to man up, if they want to be a contender.
Agree with most of this, except the part about Buffalo needing to man up, and I even agree with that for the most part.  Of course they should have done something about it, but the fact that they didn't may be an indicator to a bigger issue...they don't care too much for Miller and his complaining, placing blame, and acting like a baby.

It may not be true, and the Sabres may have just been wimps when it came to retribution, but there are many people saying that Miller isn't exactly his teammates favorite and that his act has grown old around this team.  Take it for what it's worth I guess, but it does make some sense and Miller is a baby and finger-pointer (almost never at himself of course).



Since: Feb 15, 2007
Posted on: November 15, 2011 7:25 pm
 

Ryan Miller suffered concussion on hit from Lucic

why so angry LJA24? don't get all butt hurt because your team took it on the chin. If you want to talk rules, Miller should have been pulled from. the game right after the hit, as all players suspected of having a concussion are. Maybe you would have won.
First, I'm not angry.  Second, your post about interference was wrong and you still haven't admiited that.  Third, I agree that Miller should have been removed from the game IF he had a concussion.  Many people here in Buffalo, myself included don't think Miller had a concussion.  It seems like it was just an easy way for Ruff to A. lobby for discipline from the leauge, and B. bench his #1 goalie w/o actually having to say that's what he's doing.

Ruff hasn't once in 15+ years stated an injury to one of his players.  He is always saying upper or lower body, and even then being very coy about the whole thing.  For him to come out right after the game and say that Miller was concussed is the exact opposite of how he's treated injuries since he started coaching.

As for the rest of your post, who gives a crap who won the game?  What are you like 12 years old?  Sure I'm in Buffalo and I'm a Sabres fan, but I guess I'm not on your level of fandom where you live and die with your team.  It's a game and entertainment....that's about it for those of us over the age of 12.

Again, to summarize if you'd like to talk rules.  I agree with your assessment that Miller should have been pulled if he was concussed.  I also still think you have no idea what you're talking about because you clearly don't know what interference is.  So, if you'd still like to "talk rules," I'm all ears.



Since: Jun 7, 2007
Posted on: November 15, 2011 1:48 pm
 

Ryan Miller suffered concussion on hit from Lucic

How old are you two?



Since: Jan 29, 2009
Posted on: November 15, 2011 11:19 am
 

Ryan Miller suffered concussion on hit from Lucic

and whoever mentioned to bring back the "two line pass" rule should be shot.




Since: Jan 29, 2009
Posted on: November 15, 2011 10:55 am
 

Ryan Miller suffered concussion on hit from Lucic

The hit was illegal, hence the penalty. It was not a shot to the head, nor did there appear to be intent to injure. However, I do believe a small fine was warranted. A two minute penalty is not enough deterrence to prevent people from taking runs at the goalie. Lucic had plenty of room to avoid contact and instead he intentionally took his shot. However, the NHL has a strong history of vigilante justice. Evidently, no one in Buffalo knows anything about this. How can you watch your goalie take a hit like that and not seek immediate justice after Lucic leaves the penalty box? Simply pathetic and all Buffalo players should take a long look in the mirror. I guarantee Miller is wondering what kind of teammates he truly has. All Championship teams have a “one for all, all for one”, “Band of Brothers” mindset. The entire Buffalo team needs to man up, if they want to be a contender.




Since: Jun 7, 2007
Posted on: November 15, 2011 10:23 am
 

Ryan Miller suffered concussion on hit from Lucic

I'm starting to wonder if the Bruins are becoming the Patriots of Hockey....everbody seems to dislike them. Lets take a look back at our serious injuries for the Boston Bruins. Cam Neely by Sammuleson out for his carrer, Marc Savard by Cooke out for his carrer, Bergeron and Horton two or more concussions are we really going to whine about the game of hockey or accept hockey for the sport it is? Hockey is a very violent game if it wasn't violent then it wouldn't be hockey. I'm all for keeping players healthy  and no head shots but these grown men are skating 25 - 40 mph injuries will happen and will continue to happen. This is supposed to be the greatest sport on earth with the best fans in the world, we as fans, players etc... love this sport we are a special group of people of all ages, gender, race etc...lets not turn hockey into a circus. The "New Era" of hockey is clashing with the "Old Era" of hockey and I'm loving it. One last note maybe the NHL should consider the two line pass, that could prevent some of the issues and Buffalo I'm sorry Miller is hurt but do you actually think Lucic used full force? Take care and have a safe and happy Thanksgiving!




Since: Nov 6, 2006
Posted on: November 14, 2011 9:49 pm
 

Ryan Miller suffered concussion on hit from Lucic

The great Shanahan needs to get his priorites straight...are you cutting down on injuries or not
And that is exactly what is wrong with the NHL. You punish the play, not any resulting injuries. How do you even know he was injured on that play? Didn't Seguin get pushed into Miller by another Sabre? Maybe he got hurt then. Or a slapshot to the helmet, it happend to him last year.



Since: Nov 6, 2006
Posted on: November 14, 2011 9:35 pm
 

Ryan Miller suffered concussion on hit from Lucic

Why would Miller have received a penalty mudville9?  Do you not know what "deliberately INTERFERES" with a player means?  Miller PLAYED THE PUCK, he didn't interfere with Lucic at all.  Evidently, you're not too sure what interference means in hockey.

Sounds like you have no idea what you're talking about
why so angry LJA24? don't get all butt hurt because your team took it on the chin. If you want to talk rules, Miller should have been pulled from. the game right after the hit, as all players suspected of having a concussion are. Maybe you would have won.


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