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Ryan Miller gets run over in return

Posted on: December 3, 2011 11:08 pm
Edited on: December 4, 2011 11:05 am
 
By: Adam Gretz

The last time Ryan Miller was in the lineup for the Buffalo Sabres he ventured out of his crease to play a loose puck and ended up on the train tracks that were carrying the Milan Lucic Express. The result, as you may already know by now, was a huge collision that fired up the debate about how much protection goalies get, while Miller missed nearly a month of action.

He returned to the lineup on Saturday night in Nashville in a game the Sabres won 3-2, stopping 32 of the 34 shots he faced. Not a bad night, other than the fact he was on the receiving end of yet another big-time hit, this time as he was standing in his crease attempting to make a save.

With less than five miutes to play in yhe second period Miller was crushed by Predators forward Jordin Tootoo on a play that resulted in Tootoo receiving a five-minute major for charging, as well as a game misconduct.

Here's the video, via On The Forecheck:



According to Predators beat writer Joshua Cooper, Tootoo said after the game that he anticipates having a disciplinary hearing with the league as a result of the hit. Assuming that happens, it will be interesting to see the result.

Remember, when Lucic hit Miller outside of the crease back in November (goalies out of the crease are not "fair game" according to NHL rules) he recieved a two-minute minor penalty during the game, but did not receive any supplemental discipline, which drew plenty of criticism, especially from Miller and the Sabres.

The fear was that the lack of discipline would make it "open season" on goalies, and in the Sabres very next game Miller's backup, Jhonas Enroth, was inteferred with.

Previously At Eye On Hockey

Ryan Miller hit by Milan Lucic
No suspension for Lucic
Sabres Respond

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Comments

Since: May 11, 2007
Posted on: December 6, 2011 8:23 pm
 

Ryan Miller gets run over in return

I love point 5.  I think those three really allow us to play a much rougher game than we've been able to in recent years.  Not sure it's enough to go toe to toe with Boston but is certainly helps.  I'm a huge fan of McNabb.  The kid will be a regular next year if not by the end of this year. 

As much as I hate the Bruins, I do need to give two of my least favorite players some props.  Both Lucic and Chara could have seriously pounded Goose and Regehr in the rematch game but they both let them go before the refs came in.  What I want to know is why wasn't McCormick the one to fight Lucic?  Goose is no where near as tough as he thinks he is.  Cody at least knows how to fight.  

Here's my big question - when the heck did Matt Ellis become such a girl?  He used to understand his role as a grinder but for some reason is absent in the physical presence this year.  He has no where near the talent to be on this club as a pretty skater.  He either needs to nut it up or will lose his job to Kassian once Boyes returns. 



Since: Jan 2, 2007
Posted on: December 6, 2011 5:54 pm
 

Ryan Miller gets run over in return

I have a question for the Sabres fans..,.

My answer was already given several posts below:
The return match against Boston, the calling up of several LARGE players, and the response in Nashville, are all very encouraging.

I think we can conclude a few things here.
1) Lucic is the P-o-S that Ryan Miller called him.
2) The Sabres reacted like a bunch of kitty-cats, (that's a euphemism for something else), in Boston.
3) They appear to have grown sacks since that time.
4) The debacle in Boston occurred early enough in the season for the team to make changes.
5) The Sabres have made changes. Kassian, McNabb, and Finley were Rochester Americans on the night that Lucic may have, ironically, saved the Sabres season.  Get to know these names; I assure you that you will.
6) Lucic gets my early vote for the Sabres MVP.  (Who said that the most valuable player for a team has to wear their sweater?)
7) The Sabres looked very much like a team that will stick up for each other, and Miller in particular, in Nashville.
8) I could give a rat's azz about what fans of other teams think about the Sabres.  I do not think you should care, but you obviously do when you accuse them of being soft.




Since: Jun 7, 2007
Posted on: December 5, 2011 10:12 am
 

Ryan Miller gets run over in return

I have a question for the Sabres fans. Is Miller not liked by his own team or other teams? Teams keep running this guy and I'm just curious if he's not liked. Once you get a bad rep nobody will stick up for you the only reason they fought against Boston the 2nd game was because they all looked like a bunch of skirts with hockey sticks. Buffalo will never win the cup because they are soft.



Since: Apr 21, 2009
Posted on: December 4, 2011 6:49 pm
 

Ryan Miller gets run over in return

yes, it is i who is stupid....


OR it could be the panty party that refuses to see a difference between the Lucic and Tootoo hit...


crybabies.


now we have pen crybabies wanting Carlson executed for a matt cooke that pulled a crosby and ran into a guy.
 



Since: Nov 21, 2006
Posted on: December 4, 2011 5:59 pm
 

Ryan Miller gets run over in return

I'm not saying it isn't against the rules.  I agree with that.  What I mean is it doesn't say in rules that the player who broke that rule has to be suspended.  So as far as punishment goes Lucic got 2 mins for it.  Tootoo got game misconduct.  At that point it's 100 percent on the ref's to dish out the punishment.  As far as in game it makes no differance where the guy hits goalie at like you said.  He could tag him at center ice and it will get called.

The real problem which is driving so many people crazy is once it gets to Shanny's desk he can use whatever logic he wants to decide if someone's going to get a suspension or not.  So if Shanahan decides where the hit on goalie took place is a big deal.  He can use that to decide what punishment would be.

I guess I could of summarized that by just saying this.
Where the hit took place on the ice is irrelevant to the punishment a player will get on ice. 
Where the hit took place on the ice is completely relevant to what sort of additional punishment Shanahan may give the player.





Since: Jun 26, 2008
Posted on: December 4, 2011 5:44 pm
 

Ryan Miller gets run over in return

Here is what I'm saying for the intellectually challenged (yes Sister and DC that would be you). Shanahan had a chance to send a message that the goalie was off limits. He did exactly the opposite, so I not at all surprised to see Ryan Miller get run in his first game back. Don't care if its Lucic we are talking about or Tootoo, the message was sent and everyone heard it.......

Say btw country wasn't it you that thought Ryan Miller was faking his concussion??? Let me ask you this, did Miller stay out the requisite amount of games to carry on the charade.


intellectually challenged? seriously you need to get off the Miller bandwagon... There was no "message" from shanahan or anyone else and the fact that you think so is just delusional on your part... It's hockey.. If their was a annual "sissy stick" to hand out I think you would get it at this point..

as for me saying he was faking. never said that. I do think that their is no evidence that it was from Lucic he also got ran into the net by seguin on a different play.. Once again no head contact by Lucic...     




Since: Jan 2, 2007
Posted on: December 4, 2011 5:32 pm
 

Ryan Miller gets run over in return

Yea, you guys are right.  Running over a goalie 20 feet from his crease is exactly the same thing as a guy not letting up as he drives the net.
You are missing the point; perhaps it is too subtle for you, so I will spell it out.  Currently, the rule book states that it is a penalty to run over the goalie at any place on the ice.  (I am not even attempting to give the precise language of the rule - I am stating the spirit of the rule book.)  That is why Lucic was given a two minute penalty.  Players play to the extent that they believe the rules will be interpreted and enforced.  The 'new rules', therefore have given some the impression that it is o.k. to run over the goalie.

Where the goalie is on the ice has nothing to do with this effort by players to test the limits of rule enforcement.  I agree with you that Shanahan is likely to send an unambiguous message with a severe penalty to Tootoo.

I, for one, was not too exorcized over his failure to penalize Lucic.  I think that Ryan Miller's comments about the man were apt and sufficient.  I was much more concerned about how the Sabres would respond to the wake-up call.  The return match against Boston, the calling up of several LARGE players, and the response in Nashville, are all very encouraging.




Since: Nov 21, 2006
Posted on: December 4, 2011 4:32 pm
 

Ryan Miller gets run over in return

"And why wouldn't Tootoo feel like he can do this??? Nice job Shanahan......."  &n
bsp;      "new rules"

Yea, you guys are right.  Running over a goalie 20 feet from his crease is exactly the same thing as a guy not letting up as he drives the net.  So you think Shanahan had a chance to send a message and failed?  100 percent disagree with that.  Way I see it.  He has an amazing chance to send a message now, and I think he will.


Is anyone really surprised it was Tootoo though?








Since: Jan 2, 2007
Posted on: December 4, 2011 2:39 pm
 

Ryan Miller gets run over in return

The LUCIC hit was 'relatively' CLEAN ( so SHUT-UP already !! )
Try reading the context of the comments about the incident in Boston more carefully.  Speaking for many Sabres fans, we're commenting on the lack of Buffalo's immediate response to that hit.  That was an indictment of the Sabres' heart in many people's view.  The comments are centered on how the Sabres in particular, and the league in general, have responded to that.

BTW, qualifying 'clean' as 'relatively clean' means only one thing; it was not a clean hit.  Lucic knew that and it is why he went to the penalty box, (he was not sent off for having a clean hit), with that smirk.  We're well past Lucic and look forward to when he meets up with Kassian, McNabb, Finley, et al in the future.  He may prove to be the Sabres MVP for this season because he woke the team and its management up.  Too many of the players had been playing with a sense of self-satisfaction after the eventful off-season.


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Since: Dec 4, 2011
Posted on: December 4, 2011 2:39 pm
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