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Milan Lucic has hearing for hit on Zac Rinaldo

Posted on: December 18, 2011 4:19 pm
Edited on: December 18, 2011 4:49 pm
 

By Brian Stubits

Milan Lucic might finally get hit with the Shanahammer.

The Bruins forward who has been in the crosshairs in the past for those watching Brendan Shanahan's suspension radar, has yet to be punished beyond on-ice infractions. That could change now as Bruins coach Claude Julien announced that Lucic will have a phone hearing with Shanahan for his hit on the Flyers' Zac Rinaldo in a 6-0 Bruins win on Saturday.

Here's a look at the hit and ensuing fight between Rinaldo and Nathan Horton.

The fact that Lucic is getting a hearing leads me to believe that this is one hit Lucic won't be able to get past with no punishment.

Of course the most notable instance of a hit that wasn't punished came earlier this season when Lucic ran into Sabres goalie Ryan Miller way outside the crease. People were split on whether the hit warranted a suspension, but Shanahan explained that he didn't think the intent was there.

In this case, while Rinaldo clearly wasn't injured, I'm not sure how much Lucic can argue that it was an accident, that it wasn't his intention. Just look at what he said after the game.

"I noticed he was in a bit of a vulnerable position," Lucic said. "I looked and watched the tape again in slo-mo and I looked at the point of contact and it was his shoulder more than anything. And you can see him turning ... when he was going into the boards.

"I'm just glad no one got hurt on the play."

Admitting to delivering a hit on a guy that you saw in a vulnerable position isn't going to get him any brownie points to start the conversation off.

But then Rinaldo came out on Sunday and said he had no problems with the hit, calling it clean and "shoulder to shoulder."

So score one in Lucic's defense.

At this point I'm very curious to hear what the verdict will be. Rinaldo wasn't hurt and he had no problems with the hit, but it was a potentially dangerous play. I don't know if he'll be suspended for this or not, it's up in the air.

What I do know is that if he doesn't get suspended, this guy might have more lives than my cats. Likely there will be a lot of people feeling like the Bruins and Lucic got away with another one (judging from comments on all of the Lucic stories).

So, how many games, if any, jury?

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Comments

Since: Dec 19, 2011
Posted on: December 19, 2011 12:02 pm
 

Milan Lucic has hearing for hit on Zac Rinaldo

Milan Lucic deserved a two minute boarding minor and nothing more.  Rinaldo wasn't defenseless, and he certainly wasn't hurt, and Lucic clearly slowed his momentum before the actual incident.  I find that a lot of people who want him suspended seem to have an ax to grind against Lucic or the Bruins at large.  Yes, Lucic is a big guy with a powerful check and a edgy playing style.  As a Bruins fan myself since the 80s, I've had this discussion about the B's more often than I'd like.  We're the "bullies" of the NHL in the eyes of the fans who don't support us because we've always been a top-heavy team who emphasizes physical play.

The hit on Ryan Miller was cringe-worthy...I was actually on the side of the ban should it have come down because I believe in the regulations with regards to goaltenders.  Lucic definitely plays on edge and his physical nature can sometimes combine with a young guys angst to create bad plays.  Three games ago he got 6 minutes of stupid penalties, followed by 4 more in the next game and then a 5 minute major and a game suspension in his last.  As a Bruins fan I was upset, not because I thought his penalties were worthy of suspension, but because it led to power plays for the other team that were easily avoidable.

Milan's boarding major and game misconduct were stupid on his part, but not even close to worthy of a major penalty, nor an ejection, and certainly not worthy of a suspension. 

What is happening to hockey if year by year we're debating the on-edge physicality on the ice?  Maybe we should just ban checking all together.  Let's put a padded robot in the net to prevent goalie injuries and everybody can wear floaties on the ice, or better yet astronaut suits filled with bubbles.



Since: Aug 26, 2006
Posted on: December 19, 2011 11:23 am
 

Milan Lucic has hearing for hit on Zac Rinaldo

Just something to keep in mind, if you want to use the hittee's opinion to justify suspension or no suspension, then the people saying no suspension because Rinaldo said it was a clean hit should also be hollering for a suspension for Lucic on his hit to Miller, since Miller was quite clear on what his opinion was with that incident.  Lucic supporters can't have it both ways, if you want to use the opinion of Rinaldo to justify no suspension, then you have to admit he should of got a suspension in Miller's case.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: December 19, 2011 11:19 am
 

Milan Lucic has hearing for hit on Zac Rinaldo

as for the miller hit, no way suspendable.....he ran into him and since hes the bigger man Miller was knocked down....no targeting of the head or elbows up or anything.....all that was , was a 2 min penalty for running into the goalie.....everyone has there own opinion on that....thats mine

Here's the thing.  In the past i've always said if a goalie is going to skate that far out of his crease to play the puck then too bad if he gets slaughtered and pays the price.  BUT, the problem now is NHL rules don't allow that anymore.   I'm not saying Lucic should have been suspended for the Miller hit because I think he should have been suspended.  I'm saying he should have been suspended because according to NHL rules he didn't do the right thing.  The rule states the skater is supposed to do everything possible to avoid or lessen the damage on the goalie, Lucic didn't do either.  He could have EASILY avoided him...  but he didn't get suspended.  My point is Shanahan is totally inconsistent....

Personally I'd love for a rule to say too bad to goalies that skate out to the hash marks.  Then again I'd love for the instigator penalty to be done with too... but i don't get a say in that unfortunately.  



Since: Jun 26, 2008
Posted on: December 19, 2011 8:29 am
 

Milan Lucic has hearing for hit on Zac Rinaldo

while I agree that Lucic will probably get something this time for it I don't think there was any intent to injure like your saying.. it wasn't malicious by any means even the Rinaldo feels it was fine so not sure where your getting your intent to injure with this one.



Since: Jun 26, 2008
Posted on: December 19, 2011 8:27 am
 

Milan Lucic has hearing for hit on Zac Rinaldo

This is different because of the amount of separation between him and the boards.



Since: Apr 22, 2008
Posted on: December 19, 2011 5:52 am
 

Milan Lucic has hearing for hit on Zac Rinaldo

This doesn't warrant a suspension anymore than this one:





Since: Aug 22, 2006
Posted on: December 19, 2011 2:04 am
 

Milan Lucic has hearing for hit on Zac Rinaldo

i will say, this latest hit is a boarder line hit and he probably will get 1-2 games, but i still stand by the fact that the players play the games, there out there, and if the guy says its clean, who is anyone else to say it wasnt?? he was there, he knows what position he was in.....Lucic came in and he turned a bit, and Lucic hit his shoulder, not his back....boarderline in my opinion.
as for the miller hit, no way suspendable.....he ran into him and since hes the bigger man Miller was knocked down....no targeting of the head or elbows up or anything.....all that was , was a 2 min penalty for running into the goalie.....everyone has there own opinion on that....thats mine



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: December 19, 2011 12:39 am
 

Milan Lucic has hearing for hit on Zac Rinaldo

Enough of the Miller hit. Stay within 10 feet of the net! If you want to skate more than half way to the blue line then heads up!

That's YOUR rule, not what the NHL says is supposed to happen.  The NHL including Shanahan, Bettman and even Boston's GM clearly stated that regardless of where a goalie is on the ice they are NOT "fair game" and it's the skater's responsibility to do everything possible to either avoid hitting the goalie or lessen the impact as much as possible.  Once again those aren't my words, use google a little bit and you'll see even Boston's GM said the same thing I just did.  

Lucic was really lucky he wasn't suspended for the Miller hit..... the NHL tried to make up for it by suspending Tootoo for a lot less shortly after their league meetings and shortly after the gm's had a huge discussion about the Lucic hit.

It's totally ok to love your team, we all do and that's why we're on these boards.  But if you're honestly going to tell me Lucic tried to avoid Miller or if you're going to say Lucic thought for one second he was going to get to the puck first then you love your team way too much man.  

I'll say it again... I LOVE Lucic's game... he's a great all around player.  But this is one suspension he's not going to avoid.  And after this if he screws up again he'll get a few extra games that could hurt his team.   He has to clean things up, he's way too good of a player to be watching games from the press box or from home.  The Bruins need him..... 



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: December 19, 2011 12:31 am
 

Milan Lucic has hearing for hit on Zac Rinaldo

might not matter to you or even the league but when the guy who gets hit says its clean and doesnt have a problem with it, no one else should period.....my opinion

Miamitom.  I know what you're saying and it sounds logical, but what your saying isn't practical.  It's a long rule but here is an important part of the NHL rule number 41: Boarding.  Below are not my words, but it's what is in the rule book.

The onus is on the player applying the check to ensure his opponent is not in a defenseless position and if so, he must avoid or minimize the contact.

Lucic did not avoid or minimize contact.  Furthermore the guy he hit didn't see the hit coming and couldn't brace for it. 

The NHL can't set a precedent that allows players to determine the fate of other players... rules are written for a reason, they are to be followed.  If the union doesn't like how a rule is written they can fight it when a new CBA is being negotiated.  But as the rule is written right now, I don't see how Lucic doesn't get at least one game for that hit.

Like I've said MANY TIMES... I like Lucic a lot and would love him to be on my favourite team, so this is nothing against Lucic.  All I'm saying is if the NHL is going to allow hits like that then talking about injuries becomes a joke.  



Since: Aug 22, 2006
Posted on: December 19, 2011 12:25 am
 

Milan Lucic has hearing for hit on Zac Rinaldo

The League front office seemingly protects the Bruins from all kinds of stupid hits that the NHL is allegedly trying to ban
well Misterfamous, i looked up a list of all suspensions this year and last........and i see YOUR Caps have not had a player suspended this year or last....ohhhhhhh maybe the front office is protecting the Caps.
how about this....Wash, OTT, FLA and CAR all have no players who have been suspended this year or last, GOTTA be something up in the NHL offices.....in fact Boston had 2 players suspended last year....Paille on Feb 4 for 4 games and Marchand on Mar 17 for 2 games.......so now what??? anyone else wanna cry about this???
if you do try looking up the FACTS, like i did. and stop hating the CHAMPS!!!


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