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Jagr talks Pittsburgh return, Penguins fans

Posted on: December 28, 2011 10:15 pm
Edited on: December 28, 2011 10:16 pm
 


By: Adam Gretz

Jaromir Jagr is going to make his first appearance in Pittsburgh as a member of the Philadelphia Flyers, the Penguins' chief rival, on Thursday night, and he knows he's going to be walking into a hostile environment (well ... as hostile as the Consol Energy Center can be).

Jagr, of course, spent 11 seasons as a member of the Penguins and helped the franchise win its first two Stanley Cups in 1991 and 1992, while he also won five scoring titles and an MVP award during his time. He's still the second best player in franchise history.

He was eventually traded to the Washington Capitals following the 2000-01 season for the uninspiring return of forwards Kris Beech and Michal Sivek, as well as defenseman Ross Lupaschuk. The trio scored a combined 13 goals for the Penguins. Jagr has since scored 218, including his 11 this season as a member of the Flyers. During his many returns to Pittsburgh over the years while playing for the Capitals and Rangers, he heard plenty of boos whenever the puck was on his stick. Not necessarily because he no longer played for the Penguins (though that was surely part of it), but for the manner in which he exited (the words "dying alive" were used).

This past summer when it was believed that Jagr may be interested in returning to the Penguins, as had been rumored multiple times during his three-year stay in Russia, Penguins fans and the Pittsburgh (and national) media were captivated with the free agency pursuit and the potential for him to return to the Penguins and finish his Hall of Fame career with the team that it started with. And then everything hit the proverbial fan when Jagr not only didn't sign with the Penguins, he signed with their hated cross-state and divisional rivals.

Jagr addressed the media on Wednesday and talked about his return, and didn't always take kindly to some of the questions he received from the Pittsburgh media, much of which was left off the NHL video posted above. When asked how he felt he was going to be received by the Pittsburgh fans, he responded with, via the Post-Gazette, "What kind of question is this? Everybody knows how I’m going to be received." When asked how he has fit in with the Flyers so far he added, "I don't know, you tell me"

In an interview with Flyers beat writer Anthony Sanfilippo he was quite candid when talking about the Penguins fans, and how he simply can't comprehend the amount of dislike and anger they now have for him, even taking a page out of the Ilya Bryzgalov "just be happy" school of thought.

Said Jagr, “I just don’t understand one thing when I read it. How, in a situation like that, can there be so much bad attitude and anger from those people? I don’t get it. What kind of world are we in right now? That’s (bleeping) scary. We should be in a world with a lot of love. Instead there’s one guy, who is 40 years old, who is almost done, and he’s causing all that (animosity) over hockey? My brain just doesn’t understand that."

There's never a lot of love when the Penguins and Flyers face off, and that's probably not going to change on Thursday -- on the ice or in the stands. Especially the first time Jagr touches the ice and the puck.

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brian8ball
Since: Aug 3, 2011
Posted on: December 29, 2011 10:30 pm
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Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: December 29, 2011 9:08 pm
 

Jagr talks Pittsburgh return, Penguins fans

Wrong, redwings 1969.  You can boo whomever you want to.  You don't even need a reason.  That's the right you get for your $100.  In the case of Hossa, Pens fans were upset that he turned down a multi-year offer from the Pens to sign a 1-year deal with the Red Wings to give himself a chance to win the Cup.  How'd that work out?  In the case of Jagr, he bad-mouthed the Penguins organization because they were unable to pay him, forcing them to trade him for a bag of balls.  Do Flyers and Caps fans have the right to boo Crosby?  Yes, they bought a ticket.

Hossa was the first player i've ever seen in my life in any sport that turned down not one, but 2 different teams and huge dollars to sign a 1 year deal with a contender and recent stanley cup winner.  If you were even close to a real sports fan and not a homer Pens fan you wouldn't have been mad, you would have given the guy credit for attempting to put winning in front of money.  Nobody turns down 60 million from one team and 80 to 90 million from another ( Edmonton) for a 1 year deal at 7 million.  It was refreshing to actually watch an athlete make a decision that didn't revolve around money for once.... 

How did it work out?  Doesn't matter... you're missing the point.  I'm guessing you're a young man that hasn't experienced much in life yet.... judging by your post you're pretty immature to say the least.   AT THE TIME Hossa made his decision Detroit was by far the best choice.  They handled the Pens fairly easily most games and had a great group coming back and much more recent success then the Pens had at that time.  Nobody had a crystal ball or knew what would happen the next season..... percentages were in his favour, he simply lost his bet.

That being said he was rewarded when he signed a long term deal with Chicago and won the cup.  And since you're not a real fan and probably don't watch the stanley cup finals when your team isn't playing in it, let me tell you what happened.  Toews called Hossa over and gave him the cup to carry around before anybody else got to touch it.  Why?  Because he's a great teammate and an excellent all around hockey player.

And by the way since you don't know much, Hossa gave Shero over a month's notice before July 1st came around letting him know he was leaving Pittsburgh.   He could have waited until after July 1st and strung Pitt along like other players do but he didn't. And Shero held a news conference, thanking Hossa for his services and his honesty in advance.

I think I know more about the Pens then you do.... and you're a Pens fan????

Pretty sad.... 



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: December 29, 2011 9:03 pm
 

Jagr talks Pittsburgh return, Penguins fans

Wrong, redwings 1969.  You can boo whomever you want to.  You don't even need a reason.  That's the right you get for your $100

Booing an opposing team makes sense if you don't like that team.  But booing an opposing player for "no reason" as you put it is ridiculous.  Only losers do that....  

 In the case of Hossa, Pens fans were upset that he turned down a multi-year offer from the Pens to sign a 1-year deal with the Red Wings to give himself a chance to win the Cup.  How'd that work out? 

 Hossa was the first player i've ever seen in my life in any sport that turned down not one, but 2 different teams and huge dollars to sign a 1 year deal with a contender and recent stanley cup winner.  If you were even close to a real sports fan and not a homer Pens fan you wouldn't have been mad, you would have given the guy credit for attempting to put winning in front of money.  Nobody turns down 60 million from one team and 80 to 90 million from another ( Edmonton) for a 1 year deal at 7 million.  It was refreshing to actually watch an athlete make a decision that didn't revolve around money for once.... 

How did it work out?  Doesn't matter... you're missing the point.  I'm guessing you're a young man that hasn't experienced much in life yet.... judging by your post you're pretty immature to say the least.   AT THE TIME Hossa made his decision Detroit was by far the best choice.  They handled the Pens fairly easily most games and had a great group coming back and much more recent success then the Pens had at that time.  Nobody had a crystal ball or knew what would happen the next season..... percentages were in his favour, he simply lost his bet.

That being said he was rewarded when he signed a long term deal with Chicago and won the cup.  And since you're not a real fan and probably don't watch the stanley cup finals when your team isn't playing in it, let me tell you what happened.  Toews called Hossa over and gave him the cup to carry around before anybody else got to touch it.  Why?  Because he's a great teammate and an excellent all around hockey player.

And by the way since you don't know much, Hossa gave Shero over a month's notice before July 1st came around letting him know he was leaving Pittsburgh.   He could have waited until after July 1st and strung Pitt along like other players do but he didn't. And Shero held a news conference, thanking Hossa for his services and his honesty in advance.

I think I know more about the Pens then you do.... and you're a Pens fan????

Pretty sad.... 



Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: December 29, 2011 6:20 pm
 

Jagr talks Pittsburgh return, Penguins fans

My overtones were to explain the city's contempt, not mine.  The overtones your picking up were directed as a statement of why some fans in Pittsburgh boo him.  Not mine.  I love the game.  Granted do I not like this player or that, yes.  But Jagr is not even close to being one that bothers me.   Again, and like I said in my first comment, I am not being a smart A or trying to belittle the man for what he did,(which was directly inserted in my paragraph so that it would not be taken the way you took i).  I was werely explain the mindset of the city.  Cheers.
Then I appropriately redirect my message to the mindset of the city, though I guess it already was since I was refering to your post, which was from the mindset of the city.  In that sense, I never targeted you, I targeted the comments and since the comments were for the mindset of the city, I target that mindset of the city.

Captain Jack Sparrow has spoken.



Since: Jan 17, 2007
Posted on: December 29, 2011 5:39 pm
 

Jagr talks Pittsburgh return, Penguins fans

My overtones were to explain the city's contempt, not mine.  The overtones your picking up were directed as a statement of why some fans in Pittsburgh boo him.  Not mine.  I love the game.  Granted do I not like this player or that, yes.  But Jagr is not even close to being one that bothers me.   Again, and like I said in my first comment, I am not being a smart A or trying to belittle the man for what he did,(which was directly inserted in my paragraph so that it would not be taken the way you took i).  I was werely explain the mindset of the city.  Cheers.



Since: Oct 20, 2006
Posted on: December 29, 2011 4:35 pm
 

Jagr talks Pittsburgh return, Penguins fans

Wrong, redwings 1969.  You can boo whomever you want to.  You don't even need a reason.  That's the right you get for your $100.  In the case of Hossa, Pens fans were upset that he turned down a multi-year offer from the Pens to sign a 1-year deal with the Red Wings to give himself a chance to win the Cup.  How'd that work out?  In the case of Jagr, he bad-mouthed the Penguins organization because they were unable to pay him, forcing them to trade him for a bag of balls.  Do Flyers and Caps fans have the right to boo Crosby?  Yes, they bought a ticket.



Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: December 29, 2011 4:22 pm
 

Jagr talks Pittsburgh return, Penguins fans

I don't blame either man for taking the money if Philly wanted to over pay them,
Jagr for sure didn't get overpaid, he got the value of what he can contribute.  Comparatively, for a winger that is going to score somewhere between 60-70 points, he is being underpaid.  Johan Franzen is getting over 5mil with an almost 4mil cap hit.  Loui Eriksson is making over 4mil with about the same caphit.  Jagr is a point-per-game player this year and is getting paid like a guy who is like a 35-45 points a year guy. 

Overpaid?  Not even close.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: December 29, 2011 4:17 pm
 

Jagr talks Pittsburgh return, Penguins fans

Pens fans have no right to boo Jagr, not one bit.   I was never a fan of Jagr anywhere he played and cringed when Kenny Holland admitted he put an offer out to Jagr's people, but Jagr did nothing wrong.  He didn't and still doesn't owe the Pens fans or anybody else anything at all.  He took the best offer out there, end of story.  The Flyers killed the Wings and Pens offer so I don't understand what the problem is here.  When are fans on these boards and elsewhere going to understand that MONEY RULES???? 

And nobody even try to tell me there are too many exceptions to what I just said because that's not true at all.  Money will almost always be the determining factor for a player, that will most likely never change in today's sports world.  If Pens fans go too crazy and if I was Jagr I'd take the fine.  I'd skate around the ice at the end of the game with my middle finger in the air.

First it was Hossa Pens fans hated and still hold a grudge against.  Then there are some Wings fans still mad at Hossa... just stupid.

When these guys are UFA's they have every right to do as they please... 



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: December 29, 2011 4:16 pm
 

Jagr talks Pittsburgh return, Penguins fans

Pens fans have no right to boo Jagr, not one bit.   I was never a fan of Jagr anywhere he played and cringed when Kenny Holland admitted he put an offer out to Jagr's people, but Jagr did nothing wrong.  He didn't and still doesn't owe the Pens fans or anybody else anything at all.  He took the best offer out there, end of story.  The Flyers killed the Wings and Pens offer so I don't understand what the problem is here.  When are fans on these boards and elsewhere going to understand that MONEY RULES???? 

And nobody even try to tell me there are too many exceptions to what I just said because that's not true at all.  Money will almost always be the determining factor for a player, that will most likely never change in today's sports world.  If Pens fans go too crazy and if I was Jagr I'd take the fine.  I'd skate around the ice at the end of the game with my middle finger in the air.

First it was Hossa Pens fans hated and still hold a grudge against.  Then there are some Wings fans still mad at Hossa... just stupid.

When these guys are UFA's they have every right to do as they please... 



Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: December 29, 2011 4:15 pm
 

Jagr talks Pittsburgh return, Penguins fans

I don't understand why the Flyer fans booed Rick Toccet or boo the crap out of Crosby?
Well Crosby is simple.  He's the leader of the rival team, and he has the reputation of being a cowardly punk who hides behind the refs.

As for Tocchet?  I can't remember when that happened, but I'm pretty sure it had to do with the Flyers going 0 for 9 on the powerplay and losing, not so much what Tocchet did.

It is sports, you have passion for your team, that is why.  It happens all of the time. Why should Jagr be any different?
The typical hockey fans, the ones that have been around for a long time, will usually cheer a guy when they return to their former team after a long time, regardless of the jersey they wear currently.  Recent history we've seen Gagne (Lightning), Richards (Kings), and Asham (Penguins) get their due applause (appropriate length and volume for the respective player) when they came back. 

He is a whiney little baby the feels Pittsburgh ows him something?
Actually it seems to be the other way around.  Jagr doesn't expect anything, but for some reason, Penguins fans felt Jagr owed the organization to come back to them significantly below his deserved value, which is just stupid.

He was paid while he was here so he is owed nothing except the treatment of playing for the enemy.  Max Talbot scored two huge goals for the Pens but I would boo him too.  I don't blame either man for taking the money if Philly wanted to over pay them, but I would not treat them as anything but a couple of nasty old Flyers.
I guess that is the difference between real hockey fans and fans like you (but not necessarily all or even most Penguins fans).  We'll give them their just ovation when they return.  Though once the puck drops, then it's a different story. 



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