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Bruins' Andrew Ference suspended three games

Posted on: January 22, 2012 3:19 pm
Edited on: January 22, 2012 3:34 pm
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By Brian Stubits

Brendan Shanahan works on weekends too.

The NHL's chief disciplinarian handed down a three-game suspension to Boston Bruins defenseman Andrew Ference on Sunday for his boarding of Rangers defenseman Ryan McDonagh in Saturday's game.

We'll let Shanny take it from here.

This ruling is all about the hit, so the three-game punishment makes it pretty clear Shanahan didn't like it one bit. He describes the play being in clear violation of the boarding rule, highlighting the part about pushing a player from behind.

The things that Shanahan really accentuates about the hit are the factors of how far from the boards that Ference pushed McDonagh on the play and how there was plenty of time for Ference to read the situation and react differently.

The other two factors that Shanny considers -- injuries on the play and previous discipline -- are non-factors here. McDonagh doesn't appear to have suffered an injury on the hit and Ference's only discipline history in his 12-year career is a fine for a foul gesture (remember this one in the playoffs last season?)

My take: Three games is fair. The precedent for such hits falls in line here. If anything, I thought maybe two games considering factors two and three, but if the league wants to get these messages across they will have to continue to hand out stiff punishments.

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Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: January 23, 2012 9:54 pm
 

Bruins' Andrew Ference suspended three games

 I was going to suggest that for every game an injured player is out, the person delivering the hit should also be out.  But I think your schedule of punishments is right on the mark.

The only problem with suspending a player for as long as the player he hurt is out is there will never be consistency that way.  For example one guy misses 20 games because the player he hit from behind was out a long time, but another player does the exact same thing but gets lucky and only misses 2 or 3 games.   And one other thing, let's not forget the corruption that could exist if a rule like that was in place.  We'd like to think everybody is honest but I'm not so sure.  What if a star player like Lucic hits a role player from an eastern conference team in the head and that player is convinced to sit out the last 30 games with "concussion symptoms"? 

The problem with my idea is the NHL will never go for it.  God forbid a Malkin or Datsyuk or any other player that sells seats does something stupid twice and misses half the season.... the league is all about business.  They only pretend to care about head shots, I don't believe they care at all.  Look at Ovechkin... just got 3 games for clearly going for somebody's head... he's a repeat offender, only got 2 the first time last year, 3 this time?  I wonder if Marchand will be so lucky when he screws up again?  LOL  Doubt it... they'll throw the book at guys with reputations that don't sell tickets.... but superstars?  Not so much............. 



Since: May 14, 2008
Posted on: January 23, 2012 9:15 pm
 

Bruins' Andrew Ference suspended three games

I like your suggestions redwings1969.  You are correct the refs will make some good and bad calls but won't catch everything.  It really has to be up to the players to change their style of play and play within the rules.  I was going to suggest that for every game an injured player is out, the person delivering the hit should also be out.  But I think your schedule of punishments is right on the mark.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: January 23, 2012 7:43 pm
 

Bruins' Andrew Ference suspended three games

Like I have said, I don't mind the hitting and physical play, I just hate to see the head shots & concussions, and would like to see more consistency from the NHL refs and officials.   

The refs will make some good calls and they'll make some bad calls, but in the end when it comes to head shots refs can't do anything to prevent those plays from happening.  They can't see everything and they aren't allowed to use instant replay for head shots so we are seeing the best we're gonna see from the refs.

On the other hand the NHL  can put a stop to head shots in 2 seconds.  I hate to be or act like a simpleton, but it's not that hard.  

Here's a solution.  I've modified what I used to suggest a little bit.  But this is how you basically all but eliminate head shots.

1)  First offence, automatic 10 games.

2)  Second offence, automatic  40 games.

3)  Third offence, 80 games.

We'll say offences fall off the books or expire 5 years from the date of the suspension...... this way a player that screws up 6 years apart isn't getting 40 games the second time around.

Anybody that believes what I suggested above is going overboard in my opinion isn't as serious as I am about getting rid of head shots.  Enough with the "intent" nonesense.... I'll say it over and over again, nobody but the players knows for sure was his intent was. 

 



Since: Jan 19, 2009
Posted on: January 23, 2012 7:04 pm
 

Bruins' Andrew Ference suspended three games

so lemme get this straight.  a guy can square up and beat the sh-t out of another thats ok for running him into the boards is a no no and dangerous 3 game penalty   ok got it  see how that flies during rush hour



Since: Aug 30, 2006
Posted on: January 23, 2012 6:28 pm
 

Bruins' Andrew Ference suspended three games

Bad call by Shannahan.  Bad hit.  Yes.  Dangerous. Yes.  But for a first time offender who didn't hit the head...should have been 1 game. 

Unbelievable that so many guys are making dangerous plays and hitting the head yet not even getting suspended, yet Ference, a seemingly stand up guy with no history of bad plays gets 3 games.   Admitted he was wrong and willing to pay the price.

Punishment too steep IMO.



Since: May 14, 2008
Posted on: January 23, 2012 5:42 pm
 

Bruins' Andrew Ference suspended three games

I agree the hits are different in that one is in open ice and one near the board.  The similarity that I am trying to convey is that the hitting player (according to the rules, as I have seen them explanined by the NHL)  is supposed to make the decsion on weather or not to make the hit.  In both cases, I think both players should/could have chosen not not make the violent hit.   

I agree the Bruins/Canucks games a bad example because there was a lot of drama leading up to that game, but the Canucks were giving it as good as they were getting it in that game.  

In general I think the Bruins defend themselves no more or less than any other team in the leauge after every bit hit, good or bad.

And if the Bruins are a little chippy after a big hit, it isn't just because of the Savard concussion.  Bergeron has had 2 concussions and Horton one in the past few years.  Also, considering Sidney Crosby's situation, I can understand if a player feels the need to protect his teammate.  No teams can afford (or should have) to lose their star playrer(s) due to avoidable violent hits.

Like I have said, I don't mind the hitting and physical play, I just hate to see the head shots & concussions, and would like to see more consistency from the NHL refs and officials.   



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: January 23, 2012 4:52 pm
 

Bruins' Andrew Ference suspended three games

The hit on Kampfer was delivered to his head with the shoulder.  He left the game and did not return.  Deliberate or not, I have a problem when any type of hit when it is delivered to or around the head.  It is what the NHL is trying to get rid of.  In this instance, Schenn went straight at Kampfer and made no attempt to alter his course.  Isn't this basically the same principle used to suspend Ferrence?  For both cases, was there intent to injure? Probably not.  The only reason Schenn is not in front of Shannahan is because no penalty was called.

There is a massive difference between the Schenn hit and the Ference hit, I'm actually very surprised you're comparing the two. Ferrence hit a player from behind, a player that was near the boards.  Schenn hit a guy straight up, not from behind or blind side or anything else.  Kampfer had every opportunity if his head was up to avoid or brace himself or defend himself from Schenn's hit, the player Ferrence hit had no chance at all to avoid getting creamed.  He was going for the puck that was against the boards, unless he's supposed to skate backwards or just let Ferrence have the puck there was nothing he could do to avoid being injured.   The last line of your above post is 100 percent wrong, Shanahan doesn't need a penalty to be called to demand a hearing and suspend a player.  The NHL has suspended many players in the past that didn't receive a penalty, referees miss things and can't use replay to throw a player out.

If your definition of "dirty" is to go out and with the intent to injure someone, no I would not call Marchand style of play "dirty".
I would say is style of play is hard nosed and on the edge of what is legal/illegal. His style of play does instigate reactions from opposing players.  And lets be honest, almost every team has a player with that reputation.  

We'll agree to disagree on this one.  Thank God there have been many Bruins fans on these boards that believe Marchand is a dirty player and at times has every intent to hurt others, just like Matt Cooke was doing in Pittsburgh.   Every team has agitators, but every team doesn't have a guy like Marchand.  I can tell you're a huge Bruins fan so obviously you're not going to agree, but it's not coincidence Marchand has been busted a few times for hurting people and got away with it many others, all at a very young age and early in his career.  Just remember this conversation we are having because Marchand in the next couple years at most is going to get suspended for a lot of games.  You're almost guaranteed to see a 10 or 12 game suspension soon enough... like I said, save my post...

The point of the Bruins coming to their teammates defense, is that they are a team that will stick up for each other. They set a tone that they will not be physically pushed around by another team.  Most NHL team have the same philosophy, so I can't understand why you have a problem with that.  Didn't Vancouver do the same thing to Boston about a month ago when Shawn Thornton was picking on one of the Canucks? Five guys jumped him.  Given what Thornton was doing, I am not surprised Vancouver stuck up for themselves and I have no problem with it. It is part of the game.

Sticking up for your teammates is great, everybody should do it.  But not after almost EVERY SINGLE GOOD HIT .....  Even another Bruins fan on this thread sees the trend since last season, the Bruins flat out can't stand it if they get hit hard.   The Canucks game is a bad example in my opinion because the Canucks were being knocked around all over the ice.  They didn't go after a Bruins player every time they got hit. 

 



Since: May 14, 2008
Posted on: January 23, 2012 3:56 pm
 

Bruins' Andrew Ference suspended three games

The hit on Kampfer was delivered to his head with the shoulder.  He left the game and did not return.  Deliberate or not, I have a problem when any type of hit when it is delivered to or around the head.  It is what the NHL is trying to get rid of.  In this instance, Schenn went straight at Kampfer and made no attempt to alter his course.  Isn't this basically the same principle used to suspend Ferrence?  For both cases, was there intent to injure? Probably not.  The only reason Schenn is not in front of Shannahan is because no penalty was called.

I have no problems with legal hits to the body and physical play.  But since the players have been getting bigger and faster over the past 20 years, the result is more of these violent hits. Is there an easy solution to this problem? No, hitting is part of the game and would be hard to eliminate.  I would like to see a more consistent effort by the refs and NHL to deliver penalities and suspensions.  It is the only way to curb these violent of hits.

If your definition of "dirty" is to go out and with the intent to injure someone, no I would not call Marchand style of play "dirty".
I would say is style of play is hard nosed and on the edge of what is legal/illegal. His style of play does instigate reactions from opposing players.  And lets be honest, almost every team has a player with that reputation.  

And yes I do love the Bruins, but I am not completely blinded either.  When I saw Ferrence's hit, I knew he was in the wrong and expected him to be suspended.

The point of the Bruins coming to their teammates defense, is that they are a team that will stick up for each other. They set a tone that they will not be physically pushed around by another team.  Most NHL team have the same philosophy, so I can't understand why you have a problem with that.  Didn't Vancouver do the same thing to Boston about a month ago when Shawn Thornton was picking on one of the Canucks? Five guys jumped him.  Given what Thornton was doing, I am not surprised Vancouver stuck up for themselves and I have no problem with it. It is part of the game.
 



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: January 23, 2012 2:36 pm
 

Bruins' Andrew Ference suspended three games

 I also agree that the B's are now hyper sesnitive to any of their players taking a big hit, legal or not. I believe it stems from the Savard hit. The B's took a lot of heat for not jumping Cooke immediately and I think we're still seeing the repercussions. I'm all for teamates sticking up for each other, but I've noticed the same trend you speak of.

Ezwind808.  Thank you, nice to see a Bruins fan being honest when it comes to this topic, unlike some other Bruins fans around here that are homers and can't see straight.   By the way I was a HUGE Marc Savard fan and disgusted when Cooke just about killed the guy. I was always a fan of Savard but even more after a very long interview I watched with him about 4 years ago or so.  The guy is as nice as they come, still hangs out with his old buddies that aren't rich and don't have money, buys them things, even let's them steal new golf clubs he constantly has to buy when they sneak them out of his house.  LOL    It sucks Savard's career had to end like that but pretty cool the Bruins put his name on the Stanley Cup..... class move for sure.  Hopefully he can live a normal life soon without migraines, memory loss, etc , he's still too young to suffer with that every day.  Only good thing is Savard made a fortune in the NHL before he got hurt, signed a massive deal and the Bruins haven't cut him so he's still getting some huge checks so at least he doesn't have to worry about money the rest of his life.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: January 23, 2012 2:27 pm
 

Bruins' Andrew Ference suspended three games

Jefmeat.  No, that Schenn hit wasn't dirty which is why he's not in front of Shanahan today.  Here's the video.  Go to the 50 second mark, it's the best angle you'll get.  He hit him straight up, no b.s.  It was a great hit and nothing close to a deliberate shot to the head.  I can find a lot of Boston fans on these boards more honest then you're being man.  

The problem with coming to the defense of a teammate is when it's after a legal hit.  As a Boston fan right after me admitted ever since the Savard incident Boston players have problems accepting any hit.  What about Hartnell's hit? Why does he need to go off for 5 minutes after a legal hit?

Ovechkin won't get suspended for his hit because he is a "star" of the league.   but  Marchand will because he is a not a designated "star" of the NHL. 

We'll see what happens with Ovechkin today, I think he will get suspended but either way the bottom line is superstars in all professional sports almost always have an advantage over others.  By the way, are you trying to tell us Marchand isn't a DIRTY player? Because if you are, I have nothing left to talk to you about man.  He's dirty... that's not debateable at all.  He's a very good player... but dirty as hell.   If you can't see that I don't know what to say except you love the Bruins so much you can't be honest with yourself.

I don't like or dislike fighting but it always has, currently is, and always will be part of the game.  I have watched hockey for 30 years and the amount of fighting has dimminished greatly over that time.  Concussions through the 80's and 90's were very rare, unlike today.  With the speed of the game increasing over the years, it has caused an increase in the amount of illegal hits and concussions.  I have never recalled a player getting a concussion from a fight but I can count over a dozen players getting them from illegal hits. 

I agree. The game was safer with more fighting and no instigating penalty then it is now, no doubt in my mind you're right about that one.  But you confuse me man... you talk about illegal hits like you're against them or something????  If so, tell me the Bruins haven't had quite a few of those hits this year so far.  




 


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