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Paul Gaustad traded to Nashville

Posted on: February 27, 2012 3:33 pm
 
SabresPredatorsBy: Adam Gretz

The Nashville Predators made two of the biggest trades on Monday, and after picking up Andrei Kostitsyn from Montreal earlier in the day, they also landed center Paul Gaustad and a fourth-round draft pick from the Buffalo Sabres in exchange for a first-round draft pick.

The first-round pick was the rumored asking price for much of the day, and the Sabres were able to find a team willing to give one up.

Gaustad was one of the most talked about players heading into the deadline, which should have given us an idea as to how quiet Monday would be, and gives the Predators a big body down the middle that can play a number of different roles. The most valuable asset he brings to the team might in fact be his ability in the faceoff circle as he's one of the best players in the league on draw, consistently near the top of the NHL. That fills a pretty big need for the Predators as they are currently one of the worst faceoff teams in the NHL.

It's certainly a high price to pay for Gaustad, an unrestricted free agent after this season, but it's also a clear sign that the Predators are going for it this season. Over the past week they've added Gaustad, Kostitsyn and Hal Gill to go to a team that already has two of the best defensemen in the NHL (Shea Weber and Ryan Suter) and one of the top goalies in the league in Pekka Rinne.

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Since: Feb 15, 2008
Posted on: March 1, 2012 1:06 pm
 

Paul Gaustad traded to Nashville

The rest of the team would be journey men suck hounds.
Nice phrase.... i may use that in my Bible class on Sunday


wings, i am still unsure of your point- is it money? i am, after all, a poor kid from the dirty south.... 



Since: May 11, 2007
Posted on: February 29, 2012 12:50 pm
 

Paul Gaustad traded to Nashville

The part about this thread that is comical is there seems to be a lost sense that there is a business side to the game.  Both Suter and Webber have a limited number of years to make as much money as they possibly can.  They are both young and taking less money to play in Nashville would be foolish and they both know it.  They could turn into Sid the Kid next game and then their chance at the huge payday is gone just like their ability to wake up every morning without a headache.  Now that being said - older veteran players have and will continue to take smaller contracts to go to a contender in hopes of getting their name on the cup, but young guys do not do that nor should they.  MGD nailed the number at 6-8 and could go up for Weber if Suter gets paid.  There is no way Nashville or any other team could have 16+ in cap tied up in two d-men especially when you look at what Reinne will get.  The rest of the team would be journey men suck hounds. 



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: February 28, 2012 2:28 pm
 

Paul Gaustad traded to Nashville

If Weber and Suter really want to be here like they have said on local radio, then i do believe a deal gets done. I think Suter will sign long term after the season and Weber will follow. 

I certainly hope the Preds are truely willing to spend to keep these guys AND i hope Weber and Suter are true to their word...but again, i have not been around pro sports as long as some on this boards, so i am not as jaded.....

I don't think it's as much jaded as it is you probably haven't seen nearly as many players say the same things but end up leaving as I have, it happens in sports all the time.  Players constantly tell their local media how much they love the city, how money isn't the biggest factor and how they intend on staying put.  But unfortunately it doesn't always work out that way. 

Suter is an UFA after the season, technically speaking on July the 1st.  The Preds have yet to sign him to an extension which means there is a fairly good chance he tests the market.  If it was as easy as a player just wanting to stay, money not being a huge issue and the team wants him an extension would have already been signed.  And maybe it still gets signed... could happen tomorrow for all I know, but I'm just saying there must be a good reason why it hasn't been signed.  That reason is almost always ..... MONEY.

Also don't forget Suter is part of a fairly large union, a union that has a lot to say about these things.  Players as good as Suter set the market price for others, they can't just provide their teams with "home team discounts" like fans believe they can, it doesn't work like that at all.  Every penny less that Suter takes means a penny less for every dman in the NHL in the long run, especially star dmen like him.  His peers wouldn't appreciate it much if he accepts less then he should, just to be a nice guy.  The union is all about... MONEY.

I'm not sure if you follow baseball at all but the Minnesota twins are a great and fairly recent example of how money and unions rule. Their catcher and the best in the league at the time was and still is Joe Mauer.  Another star on their team was and is Justin Morneau. Both were "hometown guys" that supposedly don't give a crap about money, they just LOVE Minnesota and publicly told the baseball world they would take a "home team discount" to stay in Minny. One of them, I forget exactly which one supposedly lives in a modest home and lives in cabins, just like the guy making 50 grand per year  Doesn't care about money.....And then they woke up...... somebody must have slapped them in the face because in the end Mauer signed a deal for around 200 million dollars, a record break contract for a catcher in baseball.  His friend Morneau signed prior to that I think for around 17 per year... together their salaries come to I think around 40 million per season.  And oh yeah, they are best friends so no way one would leave. That meant the second one to sign ( Mauer) would CERTAINLY take less...... no matter what.  He's just an average guy and all.....

NOT.  Just like Suter and Weber aren't average guys... they'll go wherever they can get their best deal.  Unless of course Nashville ponies up huge and pays them market value in advance.  That hasn't happened yet though...... gotta be a reason for that.   Both players are taking a chance an injury affects their situation and Nashville is risking potentially losing these guys..... once again, there's gotta be a reason.  And there is...

MONEY !!! Foot in mouth 



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: February 28, 2012 2:14 pm
 

Paul Gaustad traded to Nashville

Not sure how Buffalo has deeper pockets than Nashille does, but i wont argue with you about it- i do not live in Buffalo.

Pegula, the owner of the Sabres is the reason they have much deeper pockets then almost any team in the NHL. That doesn't mean they'll get everybody they want, but money for at least the next 2 or 3 years isn't going to matter.  Pegula is worth over 3 billion dollars, more then I believe any other owner in the NHL is worth.  To put that into perspective I'll just say Mike Ilitch is supposedly worth a billion dollars less then Pegula.   And he was a season ticket holder so he loves hockey and has promised to build a cup winning team in Buffalo.  Again, that doesn't mean it happens but money isn't going to be a factor.  If he wants somebody and if they are willing to play in Buffalo then it's done. 



Since: Feb 15, 2008
Posted on: February 28, 2012 1:20 pm
 

Paul Gaustad traded to Nashville

I'd say both Suter and Weber would probably command in the 6-8 mil per year range.
  

MGD,

i would agree, they are top dollar guys, no doubt. 

Nashville and Buffalo are very similar in city size and we are two pro sports towns with the same two pro sports. Not sure how Buffalo has deeper pockets than Nashille does, but i wont argue with you about it- i do not live in Buffalo.

Here, football is king, but hockey is like that annoying little brother that elbows his way to the table- money was hard to come by, but now there is an ownership group that is mostly local and willing to spend more than the prior group was. Support grows every year, so i hope we can continue that by signing these guys to long term contracts.

If not, then we get stuck in a rut in terms of fan support and falter to mediocrity.




Since: Feb 15, 2008
Posted on: February 28, 2012 1:13 pm
 

Paul Gaustad traded to Nashville

redwings 1969,

Well, i am certainly no prognosticator, I gave only my opinion.

I understand your points and believe them myself, only i guess since i am a hockey newbie in relation to you or hockeybob or some others on here, maybe i am not as jaded when it comes to what a guy says and what he really believes or will do.

If Weber and Suter really want to be here like they have said on local radio, then i do believe a deal gets done. I think Suter will sign long term after the season and Weber will follow.

As far as getting paid, management has said they are willing to part with the Benjamins to keep/sign the players thay needs.

I do agree that Nashville is having thier best year ever, and i agree, to wait until the playoffs play out to see IF I (Suter) sign is very unfair based on what you said,very well, that the Western Conf is loaded.

Since you see these two more often than most outside the Preds, i am sure you see their value as i do- they both will get paid.

I certainly hope the Preds are truely willing to spend to keep these guys AND i hope Weber and Suter are true to their word...but again, i have not been around pro sports as long as some on this boards, so i am not as jaded.....Wink



Since: Dec 11, 2006
Posted on: February 28, 2012 1:00 pm
 

Paul Gaustad traded to Nashville

To jump in the Suter / Weber conversation....if Nashville wants to keep these guys they'll have to pay dearly for what they're worth in the market.  There's a number of teams that "want to win" and a number of teams that are willing to spend more than Nashville and have overall deeper pockets.  Look what Buffalo did last year with Erhoff....paying him over 10 million this year.  He'll never be here for 10 years...we'll either trade him or restructure the contract after a few years.  Vanek had a similar contract where he got like 9 mil his first year and 8 mil his second....then it goes way down.  I can tell you being a Buffalo fan that Pegula's only goal is to win a Cup...multiple Cups, really.  That's why there's no pressure to make the playoffs this year, the only goal is the Cup.  If Suter hits the open market you can be sure teams like Buffalo who have deep pockets will go after him.  I'd say both Suter and Weber would probably command in the 6-8 mil per year range.  

 



Since: Dec 11, 2006
Posted on: February 28, 2012 12:26 pm
 

Paul Gaustad traded to Nashville

What's up with you Sabres fans wanting Gaustad back?  I don't have a problem with the guy, he was an okay player.  But he's gong to want a raise, and he's already overpaid.  Can any of you justify bringing back Gaustad for probably the 3.5 mil per year range?  That's crazy....and won't happen.  Goose was here for 7 years and that was long enough for sure.  The only thing he's good at is faceoffs....he's the epitome of mediocre in every other facet of the game. Getting a 1st round pick for him was ludicrous and shows how "in love" Darcy gets with his guys....he was almost in tears at the press conference.  The fact Nashville gave up that pick is ludicrous.  I'm not sure how much he'll help you guys in the playoffs....he's disapeared over his career in big games for Buffalo.  Oh, and there was that minor Lucic incident were Goose was on the ice when Miller got run over and Paul.....did.....nothing.......nuff

said. 



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: February 28, 2012 9:50 am
 

Paul Gaustad traded to Nashville

Part of the Suter deal is the commitment to putting a contender on the ice. Suter has said many times, as well as Weber that they like Nashville, but want to have a shot at the cup. What player worth their salt does not. The question I have is this enough to prove to these guys that the commitment is there? Nashville is already a top ten team with no moves. They are young in key areas and the need for a "top six" forward is real, but real for many teams as well. It will be interesting come July......

Predsfan.  If you believe what Suter and Weber are saying then fine, I respect your opinion.  Heck, you might even be right....

Myself, I don't buy what they're saying at all.  I'm not challenging the part where both players say they love Nashville and would prefer to stay, I have no reason to challenge that at all.  What I don't believe is the "show me very soon that you really wanna win and I'll sign long term with you".  Why don't I believe that? Because it's unfair to say the least, and impossible for either player to know what the team is going to do in a year or two regardless of what they do now.   In Suter's case IF that really is the case, we should be reading about his extension sometime later today or at latest tomorrow.  Nashville has proven to me that for now they really want to win and are going for it.  They sign Rinne to a long term deal, and they've made a few moves and signings since that day to prove their case.  Furthermore they've had an excellent season so far, might be the best season they've ever had when it's all said and done.  So once again if Suter is serious about staying in Nashville there is no reason why that doesn't get done right away, it's not like they haven't talked about an extension, both sides know approximately where the other side is at and what they're thinking.  Same deal with Weber, they negotiated for a while last year and came up with nothing long term.  He supposedly wants to win and in my mind Nashville has proven they want to win.  Weber should sign soon as well......

Personally, I think it's mostly about money, nothing more and nothing less.  Suter this summer and Weber next summer would get a heck of a lot of attention in free agency and likely receive monster offers.... big money, long term deals, lots of up front money and some funny accounting to make it work under the NHL's hard cap rules.  

If Suter and/or Weber are waiting to see how things go in the playoffs this year, then that's pretty unfair.  The west is pretty tough and they could for example potentially be forced to beat both the Canucks and the Wings 4 out of 7 in the playoffs, that's not an easy task. 

I don't believe there is anything more the Preds management team could do to prove their case..... but we'll see what happens. 



Since: Feb 28, 2012
Posted on: February 28, 2012 9:38 am
 

Paul Gaustad traded to Nashville

This is a great trade for Sabres, and a good one for nashville. Sabres can afford to lose Goose, as we aren't going anywhere this year, for 6 months. I believe he ends up back in Buffalo. He seems to like it here and is comfortable here. Plus he knows first hand the differences under the Pegula regime. Nashville gets some face off help and depth. They have a good farm system already and won't miss one prospect. BEWARE though Nashville, Gaustads very good face off numbers come mostly against third line C's so they may be inflated.


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